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How many proper open-source LLMs are there? (palaver.p3x.de)

submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by hendrik@palaver.p3x.de to c/localllama@sh.itjust.works

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Sometimes I get into arguments about AI and people comment weird stuff here on Lemmy. Like we have ethical AI models (meaning they're not made up of unethically sourced training material). Or we got plenty "libre" or "free and open-source" AI models.

Am I missing something? Or is this just a bunch of people trying to bullshit me? Is anyone here aware of such large language models and would be so kind as to educate me? I mean we do have a ton of open-weights models. But proper open-source or ethical??? I've been following the news for quite a while and I'm aware of a very select few I'd call LLMs with training datasets available. I'm aware of:

Pythia by EleutherAI (up to 12B, from 2023) and Dolly 2 by Databricks (12B, also from 2023)
BLOOM by BigScience (176B, from 2022)
GPT-2 by OpenAI (1.5B, from 2019)
The recreation of LLaMA by the RedPajama-Project
Apertus by the ETH Zürich

And maybe a few earlier/small research models.

That list needs a lot of footnotes, though. Some of them come with restrictions, terms and conditions... And none of them can do modern tasks like AI-assisted coding. The only one getting close is the Swiss model. Sadly the earlier version I tried didn't perform well. Seems they released an updated v1.5 version this summer, I wonder if that's better and anybody uses it for real-world applications.

So... Back to my initial question: Are there models out there with datasets available? I mean except the exactly one somewhat usable one I already found?

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If the dataset is ethical and can be inspected, and the model is self-hosted, what is your objection

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't think this is an easy debate to have. Even those kinds of models have effects on society, on people, on the environment. A lot of resources are needed for research and training. Same for inference even if you own the computer. And we'd need to agree on what's ethical. Usually that means treat the entire world like a self-service outlet and just take everything unless someone called you and explicitly said no. At that point it'll become a nasty technical problem because there's no easy way to get rid of it after the fact. They could in theory be ethically sourced, but used for evil. Which is gonna be a problem to society. And all of the debate is hypothetical because that's not even what's in use out there...

My post was more concerned with the facts. What kinds of models we do have. Not what we should do and an universally accepted definition of ethical.