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[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Both are born out of ancient ideals of purity and control over sexuality (the latter being especially applicable to FGM).

Male circumcision started because ancient humans viewed the human body as a canvas for social engineering. It survived and flourished because it successfully forged fierce tribal loyalty, distinct cultural boundaries, and deep religious identity. It was later justified as a way to curb masturbation.

FGM, in ancient stratified societies, including Egypt and Rome, became a prerequisite for marriage. It signified a woman’s obedience, purity, and readiness to join a household. In several cultures, an uncut woman was deemed "unclean" and socially ostracized, making her unmarriageable.

The foundational justification in almost all practicing cultures was to reduce a woman's libido. By removing sensitive tissue, societies sought to ensure a girl remained a virgin until marriage and faithful to her husband afterward.

Both practices are a type of mutilation in my opinion but one is not referred to that way due to cultural relativism. I'm glad to come from a part of the world where neither is or ever was the norm.

[–] just2look@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I know the reasons for both. And for both they are either based in cruelty or bullshit. The origin doesn't matter. What matters is what we do now, and what cruelty we allow to continue.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Knowing how / why is meaningful context in my opinion, simply to make it apparent how archaic the foundation really is. Especially when there are people in 2026 arguing in favor of such practices.

[–] just2look@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I disagree. The reasons behind cruelty are irrelevant. If it is cruel, that is all that matters. If people try to justify their cruelty, then I can write them off as people worth engaging with.

I'm tired of trying to make sense of the justifications of cruelty and hatred. The reasoning doesn't matter, the result does.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To each their own. I'm fascinated by how societies may normalize and justify such practices over time but I am a student of history. The why often helps to eliminate the regressive practice in a sustainable way.

[–] just2look@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

I understand wanting to know from am academic perspective, but I no longer believe that it matters for eliminating regressive policies and practices.

The holocaust is one of the most studied tragedies in history. That understanding has done nothing to eliminate genocide.

The Jim Crow laws have been studied and the motivations behind them are well known. Yet those same motivations and strategies are still being used to divide the US.

People largely don't care. A huge portion of the population doesn't care about an issue until they are personally impacted.

[–] CatAssTrophy@safest.space -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not necessarily, at least with regards to historical justifications of male circumcision. For example, desert cultures that had extremely limited chances for things like baths experienced high rates of infection that circumcision notably reduced. And with a high rate of phimosis, the choice between infant circumcision (with lower blood loss, faster healing times and lower rates of complications) and teenage+ circumcision (with worse healing and a higher rate of complications). If 1/3 of your boys and men have to undergo circumcision for medical reasons, is it not better to do it when its the quickest to heal?

Even now, there is significant evidence that male circumcision reduces the chances of HIV (and other STD) transfer in susceptible populations, so circumcision in at risk populations is the common medical recommendation.

I in no way support circumcision as a routine religious/cultural practice, but when there are times and places and societies where it is a genuine harm reduction technique, and throwing those babies out with that bathwater isn't really helpful, either.

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

There is no evidence of causation