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Birth rate and hedonism? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 weeks ago by orc_princess@lemmy.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml

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Hi everyone, I'm only interested in hearing from comrades so that's why I thought this could be a good community to post, but if you think this is the wrong community please direct me somewhere else!

Today I was talking to someone somewhat close to me, he mentioned countries like Germany have an aging population and a falling birth rate and I pointed out that I believe it's connected to the cost of living crisis (especially with the expensive energy imports and with governments happily destroying the welfare state) and my friend said that he doesn't buy it and that in his opinion it's hedonism (?).

I find that kind of argument unprovable and moralistic, but it caught me off guard and I figured I'd take this as a learning opportunity. Have you heard this kind of argumentation? Am I right to assume it's just a reactionary thing? Is this worth engaging with, even if it's just for criticism, and if so how? Or should I just move on? I can't cut contact with him but I can just change the topic again if it comes to that lol.

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[–] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh, wow. I was expecting this conversation to go the completely opposite way, because usually pregnancy results from hedonism.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hedonism and sexual pleasure are two distinct entities, and ironically the more hedonistic someone is, the greater the preventative measures that person usually takes against pregnancy. Couples engaging in occasional intercourse are hardly being hedonistic.

Barring societal controls banning birth control, abortions, and other reproductive rights, if people engage in unprotected sex, they usually understand the associated risks.

[–] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yea, they say hedonism, but I think they meant degeneracy.

They're definitely a cryptofascist.

[–] Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wow, that's quite the leap.

[–] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Generally speaking, when someone talks about culture or degeneracy, especially when they bring it up as a topic of conversation, usually it’s because they’re a fascist or they’re listening to fascists.

Like that palentir manifesto

Like, they might, they might not. But it is something to look out for