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What is your imaginary non-fascist government?
The very real democratic government of Mexico. We literally just reformed our entire Supreme Court with a transparent vote last year.
Oh God, you are joking right?
Mexico is a vassal state to fascist America. They have been doing the biding of the USA for a very long time. Corruption and nationalism abound in Mexico.
If we want to defeat fascism we have to open our fucking eyes.
I suggest you update your views to the modern era.
First of all, we've been having a major political revolution since 2018 with AMLO, even though we weren't fascist before that, either. It's popularly referred to as the 4T, and it includes major reforms that have reduced corruption and significantly increased our quality of life. Second of all, the US can kiss our ass, and we've demonstrated that within the past year that we're not going to budge with Sheinbaum in charge, who has taken a defiant stance on many fronts already, even going as far as suing the USA personally.
You misunderstand how that manifests in our culture, and I suggest you talk to Mexicans living in Mexico about how they feel about their country before bringing that up. Because if your archetype is the bleeding heart American with guns blazing and draped in a star-spangled flag with a Bible in hand, you'd be wrong and frankly insulting. We have a deep respect for our traditions and our general sense of family, which transcends borders. As the late Costa Rican-born artist Chavela Vargas once said, "We Mexicans are born wherever the fuck we want," because we're not exclusive but inclusive.
I also suggest you open your eyes to the rest of the world and stop being a Negative Nancy who's out to depress everyone. Look abroad. The world is bigger than, and doesn't revolve around, the US.
I think you need to stop pretending Mexico is not controlled by the US. It is a bad look to deny reality. We cannot fix our problems if you ignore the truth.
The US would roll Mexico over without breaking a sweat, but the truth is they don't need to. They own Mexico like they own all South America.
Stop pretending that I believe it is all about the US. It is all about the US or more importantly the extremely wealthy people that control it. I don't believe this, I know it.
You fell for political theatre. You live in a corrupt fascist country. We will never be able to fix this with everyone living in denial.
When you can point out the first country that isn't producing ever higher income gaps I will maybe believe they aren't entirely fascist.
I'd like ot hear you explain how we're supposedly controlled by the US. It has no jurisdiction within our borders whatsoever.
No shit. No country can compete with the US military complex. And yet it wouldn't do so diplomatically, and it would lose favor with every country below our borders if they tried to invade.
You mean they've sabotaged every country in South America and continue to do some shady shit. I don't count that as owning anything at all if they have to go around to get what they want.
Brother, you just said the US owns everything below it.
Prove it. I just said we've gone through major reforms. If your view is so small-minded and backwards, you have a lot of catching up to do. We're not the ones electing wannabe dictators. And we're currently in the process of expanding our individual rights. I can do many more things outside on the streets than you could ever dream of doing in the US without getting arrested.
Sounds like you're conflating economic systems with political ones and twisting your definitions into pretzels.
I can't help you brother. Your stuck in the past pretending you are one step into the future. Mexico has had some reforms but it does the United States dirty work everyday while the US enriches the worst in your nation. In every nation. But here is the real killer nations are themselves are bullshit.
They have us divided and programmed. I do admire your unfounded enthusiasm and I do wish Mexico the best. I will not try to prove Mexico is a extremely corrupt divided nation who has been used and abused. That is self evident.
The only thing that really matters is policy. We can incrementally fix some things. Until we confront where inequality is actually coming from we will all be stuck with a fascist future.
Well, my point is that we're not fascist but you've moved on to say that somehow we're fascist because the US is. I don't think we're talking about the same thing anymore.
I totally get you don't think you are fascist nation. Fascism comes on a scale. The US has always been on the scale as the revolution was a conspiracy by wealthy colonialists to seize control. They did this to enrich themselves not for lofty ideals such as freedom or liberty.
Your inability to see through your own nations propaganda makes you a liability in this fight. Your unable to see the oppressed in your own society. You look past how Mexico acts as the United States immigration agent for South America.
I don't think going over the long list of human rights violations and massive amounts of injustices perpetrated in Mexico is worthwhile. The homicide rates, the profound misogyny, and also blatant corruption in the form of government agents acting with impunity.
My brother your nation is definitely on the fascism scale. How many government officials worked in the private sector and then back in government? Your government was captured by industry long ago. The courts serve the rich and powerful, huh seems familiar.
And now you got your "Obama" meanwhile less than 3% of CEO in Mexico are women. I am all for hope, but you have to be smarter than this.
Let me walk you through the several points of fascism I found on various websites, and we'll tally up the points at the end.
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism by Lawrence Britt
This is reserved for some days of the year, and it's mostly expressed as a fun cultural display rather than a die-hard nationalistic pride. You really have to come here for the September 16th celebrations to see it yourself. And I'd argue that this is part of the reason that keeps us together as a nation. I don't see why we have to renounce the bit of nationalism that we have.
+1 - We have some, but nothing I'd consider one way or the other, despite external appearances.
Did you know that our previous Supreme Court ruled unanimously on the right to abortion? That the Constitution includes the right to a free education, and that the federal government follows through with free college tuition? Same with healthcare. How about that we can't be charged for the use of drugs, but it's actually covered by our right to develop our personality? We can't be charged for loitering or jaywalking. Those are a lot of rights that I don't see in other places. Our UN representatives also voted yes to consider food a human right. Does that sound like disdain for the recognition of human rights as a whole to you?
And as an added bonus, we also strive for animal rights. Every pet will be given a free sterilization by the state (we've done it five times over the past years, including some strays), and last time I heard, some clinics were offering free health services, including some surgeries. Violence against animals has a minimum sentencing of two years.
+0 - We're working towards more human rights.
Not a thing. We don't have state enemies other than cartels, and even then, we understand that they have families. We also protect the native population rather than alienate it. And we take care of our neighbors as well. You say we're only sending migrants to the US, but you seriously ignore everything our government does for these folks, including housing, food, and asylum. There have been a few funny (and infuriating) stories of migrants demanding privileged treatment because the state so pampers them that they're asking for the mile after being given an inch. They're free to work and stay here, but they don't like that. That they seek out the US because they're under the delusion that they'll be better off over there is not our problem, and we can't bar them from...*drum roll* exercising their human right to migrate.
+0 - It's not a thing.
Sure, if your idea of Mexico is stuck in the 90s. Not today. We just elected a woman president for the first time, who won with an overwhelming majority. We have many women in STEM. Even I was a teacher for a women-only programming BootCamp. We even have social programs for single mothers dating back to the late 90s. And violence against women is prosecuted as a hate crime. The kids of the previous generation grew up and made huge, ongoing changes. Not to mention the string of feminism marches happening downtown seemingly every other week. Or the many public talks and gatherings in public spaces, addressing these social issues.
+0 - We're still fighting the ghosts of our past, but we're making serious progress on many fronts, including LGBT rights.
Unfortunately, this one's true, but only because of millionaires. We don't have a state-sanctioned media. In fact, our ex-president AMLO had several disputes with news channels that only attacked him for everything, despite whatever good he did for the people. There's also plenty of free press that is not censored, afaik.
+0 - Corporate interests are at odds with the state.
+0 - Not a thing.
I know it may be shocking due to our reputation of being a Catholic majority, but our government is strictly secular at all levels, and we aren't taught religious doctrine in schools. It's strictly barred.
+0 - Not a thing
Sure, to some degree, but the Morena party has made several changes to fight corruption, including the buyback of our national petroleum (Pemex) to resocialize it after Peña Nieto sold it to private equity. We also had a huge controversy where one of our national airports had been signed to private Chinese companies, but was cancelled by AMLO (sending us into exorbitant debt and causing much backlash), with the intention of keeping it socialized and keeping it free of private interests. And those are just a few examples of our current government fighting back against the private sector.
+1 - This is changing, but they're not unilaterally protected.
I'm not sure about this one, but I'll give it to you only for the simple fact that unions aren't in our cultural radar. We don't do unions because we don't have a history of having unions. But our rights have been expanding, including the minimum wage.
+1 - This is changing.
Quite the opposite is happening. We have many governmental institutions, like the Palacio de Bellas Artes in Mexico City, and dozens upon dozens of cultural centers and museums. Not to mention the endless stream of art exhibits and performances downtown. We've also been pouring plenty of funds into renovating and modernizing college campuses. You no longer use an ID to get in, but you have to scan your phone, which didn't exist when I was studying. It feels futuristic, tbh.
+0 - We love our artists and intellectuals. We trust in science. Sheinbaum has a PhD in energy engineering, btw.
Well, we do have cartels, but we've taken a hands-free approach, and it's one of the biggest criticisms of Morena. AMLO himself had the "hugs not bullets" doctrine that led to more rampant organized crimes under the misguided belief that this would reduce violence because some cartels respect the public. He thought they'd all do that if the government stayed out of their business.
+0 - Not a thing outside of pushing back against cartels.
Morena has cut back on a lot of corruption, including defunding the national healthcare, because a good chunk of the funds were being diverted into people's pockets. This is another big criticism they face, but people don't realize how much money was being stolen away. So we're doing the opposite of giving in to this.
+1 - This is changing.
Not at all. I voted in every national election for the past decade or so, and I can confidently say that the votes have been overwhelmingly consistent with public opinion. There have been a couple of cases with sketchy results, but nothing ridiculous like winning the popular vote but losing the race because of some electoral college bullshit. *cough*
+0 - Far from it.
Total: 4/12
Let me know if you still disagree, and we'll give it another go with the list of your choice.
I am sure you can find a marginalized person in Mexico to disagree with you on many of these points like, for instance, an indigenous person.
Like I said before, you can't see it. You live in denial and you fall for all the propaganda you are receiving. Every narrative, especially the ones you like are propaganda.
Fascism is the result of unfettered capitalism where money and power pervert and corrupt every human being. It is the corporate evolution of authoritarianism.
Why do you think that the AntiFa existed in modern times as an answer to corporate trade law taking control of nations. Nothing has changed and it is way worse.
So yes Mexico is most definitely on the fascism scale. You even have a polarizing populist. Just like when the US elected Obama it didn't suddenly make the US not a fascist state.
As I was saying, you are a liability when you can't see through the propaganda. Fascism is reality all over the world and we have to address it.
Go ahead, find me this mythical person, please. I want to hear this person deny basic facts.
Also, you haven't realized that all the points I've made are based on my experience living here. I don't know where you got the idea that I watch the local news or even TV. I thought I was clear about the events happening downtown and the social change that's evident.
You have no idea what you're talking about. It's clear you're only here to discredit and discourage. All I know is that you're either pushing some agenda or you don't want to admit that you're wrong.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy5pvdyd0ygo
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/15/world/americas/mexico-protest-violence.html
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/opinion/political-polarization-under-president-sheinbaum/
https://www.reddit.com/r/asklatinamerica/comments/1kjgg0k/mexicans_what_changes_to_the_mexican_government/
https://www.ojala.mx/en/ojala-en/mexicos-timid-reform-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-people
I mean clearly there are a lot of Mexicans very critical of what is going on that understand the government is pretty fucked up. That fact that you are so in denial is almost comical.
Are some reforms good? Yes, but that doesn't fix any of the problems if the reforms themselves are being prevented by corruption.
Your anecdotal experiences in highly urban areas are certainly not indicative of what most face and see on a daily basis. Your privilege blinds you while you buy into rhetoric instead of action.
You don't understand fascism, but to be fair most people don't. That is okay, that is why they have already won. You will continue living in fascism with your militarized police forces and rampant corruption.
The reforms were the propaganda just like Civil Rights reforms were in the US. A good story to sell the people while the rich and powerful carry on.
You're citing things you don't even understand. The protests against gentrification are a separate issue that only affects some areas, like downtown Mexico City's surrounding areas of the historic neighborhood La Condesa, as well as other parts of the country like Mérida in the state of Yucatán, because the local government had been allowing sales to foreigners. Local issues. Nothing to do with the federal government. And the recent violent protests in the Zócalo were funded by the opposition party and millionaires like Salinas Priego, who is being asked to pay back millions in taxes. Neither of these things is fascism or having to do with the federal government.
And I really think you're trying to pull a fast one here with this catch-22, where if I cite things that are happening locally, it doesn't count because it's allegedly anecdotal, even though it's an event that happened and made the national news, but if I repeat a news story that was reported globally, it's propaganda. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
Your opinion piece on Mexico News Daily is an opinion by someone trying to stir the pot and clutching her pearls. So it's kind of funny that you're dismissing mine while perfectly fine with other opinions that support your own. And it still misses the point of proving where the fascism is. You're just pointing at random things.
Your other opinion piece on Ojalá.com was before the judiciary reform. And guess what, a major representative from Oaxaca won with an overwhelming majority of votes to represent the indigenous vote, which defeats the whole purpose of that article. His name is Hugo Aguilar Ortiz.
And your opinion threads from Reddit are what? Opinions, that's right.
If you really want to make a case, show me where the federal government has been complicit in large-scale corruption, where sexism is running rampant (ironic since we've had a record number of women politicians and public servants), how the militarization of the police has brought severe consequences since 2022 that I have yet to see, where severe violations of human rights have taken place by the federal government, and, more importantly, how the public has been suppressed by the ruling party to ~~a significant~~ any degree.
So, please, instead of saying I don't understand, how about you make a concrete point? I keep showing you how you don't understand Mexico. You only keep saying I don't get it and keep doubling down without stating why or how. You're just taking the first thing you see in Reddit threads and running with that at face value.
So now you are moving the goal post. You said provide one person. I provided much more than that.
You dismiss opinion!? That is literally what politics are including everything you and I have said.
You want solid factual information the Mexican Government is corrupt?
https://kkc.com/corruption-index/corruption-in-mexico/
https://www.ganintegrity.com/country-profiles/mexico/
Of course it doesn't matter because you don't seem care about facts or history
I have already made all my points, none of which you have been able to dispute. Admitting to militarization of police but then ignoring their abuses of power amounts to some serious bootlicking.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/mexico-militarizing-public-security-human-rights-violations-impunity/
You are just another fascist enabler in denial. That is fine, so is everyone else hence why we live in a fascist world.
I am? Or are you? Where is the proof of fascism? All I see you doing is pointing out the corruption, like that's the end-all be-all hallmark of fascism. That's ONE sign, but I've already pointed out 13 other signs that don't quite align with your narrative.
We all know this was a very corrupt country, and it still is in other ways. But that's not the point. I want the details of our current administration because I'm talking about how the country is changing now and because you're accusing it of fascism. Are you really saying our ex-presidents, Vicente Fox and Peña Nieto, are to blame for what's happening now?
Even pointing out the alleged corruption by AMLO would've been enough. That would be the guy who ended the life-long tenure for ex-presidents, including himself, once out of office. The guy who ended funding for many agencies that were leaking funds. That sounds very anti-corruption. That's the same man who said he wouldn't ever attempt to run a second term out of respect for the Constitution. That sounds very unfascist. So where are the violations? Sheinbaum is, for all intents and purposes, following his example and has come forward stating so.
You've made very shitty points. I've been easily able to dispute all of them.
That's exactly what I'm asking you to prove. Where are they?? lol
Again, where are they?? This is from three years ago. I'm waiting on this to materialize.
Oh, now I'm the fascist. Right, right.
You definitely moved the goalpost.
You don't even understand fascism, please stop pretending.
We all know Mexico was very corrupt and continues to be very corrupt. Two-thirds of your countrymen agree. Your opinions make you an outlier.
You have not provided any evidence or even a good train of logic other than "things are better now" which is objectively false. Things are very bad which you deny because you have bought into propaganda around a few watered down reforms and a popular "hope" President.
This is bread and circus for you. You are the definition of a cheap date. Impressed with a few words and no real action.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2025/country-chapters/mexico
Over half the people detained report being physically abused. You literally blow the US out of the water. The more I read the more it looks like you live in a much worse fascist state than the US. I thought we were bad.
100,000 people disappeared!? You would make any fascist blush with this shit.
38 percent of people confessed to a crime after being beaten!? Oh God you are seriously fucked up for denying this.
One of the highest rates of income inequality in the motherfucking world which is one of the biggest predictors for fascism btw.
Yeah, you are a fascist enabler in denial no question about it.
You're so ridiculous that you've now resorted to pure personal attacks. And you're still pointing at random things and calling it fascism. Do you know what fascism is? I'm still waiting for the concrete evidence of this.
Didn't I just say that it is in other ways that are not fascist? 🤣
I gave you 14 points outlining how things are better and you took that and wiped your ass with it. Then you said it was all hearsay and propaganda. Right.
So I take it you live here too? You know what it's like from day to day? Because you speak as if you do rather than looking through a warped pinhole on the internet, only looking at what you find convenient.
Let's break it down for you--yet again. You keep pointing at random things and pretending it's part of the administration.
By local police seeking bribes. The corrupt police you talk about is not exactly coordinated by the state. This is not fascism--it's mere corruption.
By cartels. Not the government.
By the local police--not the government itself. The government doesn't make this happen by law or decree or what have you.
By the private sector. Still not the government.
You sound like an arrogant ass who doesn't know what you're talking about.
Oh look who has their feathers in a bunch, sorry not sorry for calling you out.
We both know you know jack shit about fascism, so please do everyone a favor and just stop talking about it. You are the definition of clueless.
You gave 14 points of bullshit propaganda. As I said from the start.
I have family from Mexico and they have backed up everything I said. Antonio thinks you are full of shit.
You keep pretending this administration is different!? Are they going to demilitarize the police? You are so naive it hurts. I will happily eat my words if I am wrong. Here is the rub though, I am not.
I don't need to apologize for Mexico. I don't need to apologize for the US. They are both fucked. Your nationalist pride is the perfect example of what fascism is. Denial of the truth.
Now the state is not even responsible for the police!? You are literally running with the goal post now. Pathetic.
Feathers in a bunch? Please, you've been nothing but disrespectful.
Tell "Antonio" he's also full of shit.
I'm not pretending when I see the positive changes happening. Lol
But fine, you want to convince me otherwise? Prove that we live with an oppressive government and that our lives are directly affected by this.
Sent to you from our free public wifi, btw. Brand spanking new.
Typical right winger talking point, starts whining about respect when they have no answers.
I will not disrespect my son-in-law the way you disrespect everyone who has been used and abused by Mexico. His family home had dirt floors.
The fact that a lot of Mexico's problems come directly from the US is also no surprise. Two nations fucking over their citizens in the name of fascism.
You know why the US didn't turn Mexico into US States after the Mexican American war right? Yeah, I didn't think you actually paid attention to history let alone what is currently happening.
No clue about history or the future but bold enough to demand the proof right in front of their eyes. Fascist apologist class traitor, but you got free Internets! It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Right wing? 😂 Even our right wing is far more leftist than your best left wing. Stop pulling shit out of your ass simply because I disagree with you and you can't prove your point. Morena is leftist, btw. Ask "Antonio" to confirm that for you.
Oh, but it's ok to disrespect me over a disagreement. Hey, guess what, I also had dirt floors. Maybe he can also tell us how much he's been repressed by Claudia Sheinbaum and AMLO. Go ahead. Copy and paste his response in Spanish if you want.
I studied both US and Mexican history in school, dumb dumb. I attended school in both countries. I can definitely say Mexican K-12 is far more rigorous when it comes to history, science, geography, and math. Don't come at me with your half-baked education.
No shit. Stop selling weapons to the cartels.
Explain why and how. You've yet to do that. I'm waiting.
Yeah, and free healthcare, a free college education, retiree benefits, free pet healthcare, government subsidies for utilities, abortion & LGBT+ rights, a transparent voting system, and more. Sounds pretty damn socialist to me. It's no surprise we always rank high on the global happiness index. And look at that, we're even ranking higher than before, while the US is taking a nosedive, and the rest are struggling to stay in their place.
Do me a favor and stop projecting your doom & gloom onto everyone else. We're not the ones with a kleptocracy and a wannabe dictator who's colluding with Russia.
No surprise, a conservative in denial. You really believe Mexico suddenly changed and is not a dystopia of corruption, income inequality, and cartel fiefdoms. This is exactly what the US will be looking like soon.
But, hey I get it. Ignore reality because your life is pretty okay, maybe even good. I got mine and oh look at this tasty propaganda that will make me feel like there is change for the better.
You think this is some game, but it is just you in denial this whole time. First, that the world isn't already fascist. It is.
Second, that your country is not also into fascism. It is.
Your counterpoint is we elected a leftist!? The reality is this leftist is a prop so the wealthy can go on denying your countrymen healthcare, taking bribes from the cartels, and turning your people against each other.
It is okay that you don't get it.
I'm not here for your bullshit. You're the one playing games.
Want to settle this? Find me a single article online written by a credible source that describes unequivocally how Mexico is a fascist state. Go ahead, I'll wait.
I already proved it, you just keep denying it. As I said it is okay if your country is not what you think it is.
I suppose most people would not agree the US is fascist. It is and has been ever since corporations took hold. It was always proto-fascists though. They just didn't invent a word for it yet.
Mussolini said fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. People seem to link it Nazism, but in reality it is not about that.
You see the Nazi modeled their final solution after what the US had done to the Native Americans. They admired the fascist state the US had created and how they murdered the Native Americans en masse.
To top it off a bunch of wealthy US people were bankrolling the Nazi. US business was even helping them. IBM used their computing power to number the Jews for extermination.
Of course the US went on to spread fascism all over the world. They called it "Democracy" but it is just authoritarianism coupled with unchecked capitalism using the wealthy's favorite proxy, the corporation.
I get why you get all defensive. I am clearly not going to convince you that your country is fascist, but it definitely is. Most people will disagree with me, but they are wrong.
Fascism, as I pointed out, is when authoritarianism meets corporations. This unchecked capitalism brings out the worst of people. It produces billionaires and soon to be the first trillionaire.
It doesn't have to be wrapped up in Nazism, it has many flavors like fascism lite with the first women president who is here to change things aka maintain the stays quo for the wealthy.
Until this is reigned in we are all living in a fascist world controlled by government infested with corporations directed by the wealthy. The is no democracy just more breads and circuses for you. And boy do you eat it up!
Trust me, I come from a very fascist society. I can sense this stuff a mile away. The Mexican people are wonderful, but their government is beyond corrupt.
I hope you prove me wrong and everything magically changes from this point on for Mexico because their track record is looking bleak. The statistics don't lie.
I have no doubt the US will also pull Mexico down as it already has and will continue to. Once you realize the truth it sets you free. You no longer wonder why you have militarized police or why people disappear. It is the corruption inherent in the system.
For me it brings a certain amount of peace. I am no longer gaslight by everyone all around me. It begins to make sense. Then I can start working on real solutions.
Blah blah blah. I don't see any external links.
Good luck with your search, I'll be waiting.
I said all I have to say. Thank you.
Good for you. I got my list of sources describing fascism in the USA, btw. Let me know when you're ready to swap.
Uh the USA is like the original fascist nation, we spread it all over the world including Mexico. You think you are going to teach me something when I just explained the USA is worse than the Nazi!?
Just letting you know that when things are true, credible people and experts write about them. However, you could seriously use a refresher on what fascism is, so maybe you'll learn something after all, if you're willing.
I already explained most people won't agree. It is okay, I don't need your approval. I define fascism as corporatism. I think I will take Mussolini's word over yours considering that is exactly how the US and Mexico are really run.
And I don't need your shitty, inconsistent definitions while being told that I don't know things. As I said, I'm not here for your bullshit.
This goes beyond the layman's opinion of you or me. If I can find sources talking about fascism in whatever form it presents itself in any other nation, there surely must be some for Mexico. Let's see it, then. Prove your case.
I already explained my case. Like I care what a bootlicking loser thinks.
Great, then take your L.