Normalize discussing compensation. Silence encourages exploitation.
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I've discussed compensation with a couple of coworkers at my current job, and my big takeaway is that they're all really bad a negotiating and self-advocating. I've got coworkers in the same responsibility band doing a much better job than I am and genuinely making ~20% less than me. Because they never counter-offered when they got hired or promoted, just accepted the first number they saw.
A loootttt of people cant afford to risk the friction of accepting a job but being stubborn about pay. Being another week without a paycheck is likely the dofference between homelessness and keeping the lights on
This was me. After I "proved" myself to be a "worthy" employee, the raises came. I also work in an environment where things are still pretty old school though, so take that will a giant grain of salt.
it really depends on how desperate you are too.
Never had a job where coworkers didn't know my income.
Did you know theirs, too?
Some of them
that's the reason why you're in his place
Give 42% less effort
I like that better than giving 70.4% as much effort
Agree with the sentiment but would that not be approx. 30% less effort in order to be perfectly fair?
Nah, the extra is for being mislead about the position's pay scale.
I was working a new role at a brand new site for a company. Working really hard, putting in a lot of effort, really trying to prove myself. I had 5 years of experience in the role, and wanted to move up in the company. Then my supervisor got one of her friends hired in the same role as me, he had zero experience, never done this before.... and they were paying him $10k per year more than me.
I decided right then and there, I was never, ever, going to give a shit about work there again. I got a pay raise to match what he was making, but it took like a year, and my yearly raises since then have been far under inflation. I do not give a shit. I wormed my way like a parasite into the easiest position there, doing as little as possible, entirely remotely. and I still feel like a give too much of a shit. If the job wasn't so easy, and the job market so horrible, I'd probably have left by now but, eh. I'm making more than most, while doing almost nothing. I can't really complain.
but oh boy was I fucking pissed.
Capitalism is great at showing off its efficiencies, but it's full of invisible inefficiencies. Imagine if money wasn't a factor in your life and you could work to see the smiles on the faces of people you directly help every day.
Money makes people lazy. The hardest working jobs aren't the ones that make the most money, they're the ones that help people most directly. Nursing, teaching, customer service. Money doesn't make people work hard, helping makes people work hard.
but oh boy was I fucking pissed.
Sounds like you're still fucking pissed. Good for you. You should still be pissed.
When I quit my job as Graphic Department Manager, I told the woman I had hired and trained, and my likely replacement how much I was paid as I left the building.
I did that once and the person laughed and said "really?"
That... Could very well be why that person isn't there anymore.
Lemmy pretending domain knowledge is not a thing.
Proti.: always discuss salary with coworkers
That's one of the reason I like being a public servant.
The pay scale is public information.
And he quit
I really love living somewhere where unions have a strong influence and collective bargaining is the norm
'Murica is a fucking joke.
Now you know how many raises you can get before they fire you for being too old and costing too much. AKA "a career"
That's why they fired him.
And the people that got hired after me for some reasoj
What if he was 42% better?
He probably had an extra decade of experience if he was being paid so much.
I had a friend who was angry and appalled when she found out how much more the older men at her library were being paid than the new college grads. It didn't seem to have occurred to her that they'd been probably working there for 30 years.
Then that's on the company for hiring somebody worse.
If the extra value was having worked at the company for decades and knowing complex and obscure company-specific process details inside and out, that's not possible to hire. It only happens with retention, after decades.
Capitalism! isn't it grand! LMBO