When Motorola puts out a Graphene phone, I'll buy one. It'll be important to break the effective Google play and iOS app store monopolies
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Same but for Samsung. I like my foldables too much. The Fold 7 is the greatest phone I've ever owned.
New Rule: non-apple, non-Google, non-Samsung
Never have I seen so much fucking bloatware in my life. None of it uninstallable.
Not one-time while owning a Samsung did I ever feel I actually owned the device I paid $800 for.
New "urgent" update in the middle of video job interview at 11 AM? To install Candy Crush? Are you kidding me? Oh wait - you also removed all of my default apps like SMS, and my browser because..??? Who would ever want that?
They're worse than Microsoft - they don't even offer a "Not now" dark pattern.
Never have I seen so much fucking bloatware in my life
Never owned a Xiaomi phone then I guess
Motorola also has foldables so maybe one day in the future they’ll ship one with grapheneOS if this launch works out.
I can't believe it mentions the Librem 5 and absolutely nothing about its sordid history of scamming customers. Friends don't let friends purchase a Librem 5.
Some more context would be helpful (to let people make up their own minds). I've looked into PinePhone and Jolla, but I've only heard about the other brands listed.
Sorry, I should've given something. I linked to a small taste of it below after you wrote this, but it runs deeper than that. Delay after delay for years (even pre-COVID), people e.g. having to contact their AG to get a refund on a phone they've been waiting literal years for (this one didn't contact their AG; they just waited two years for a product they never received and an additional four for a refund), hardware that's functionally equivalent to a phone from c. 2013 (plus abysmal battery life), etc. The refund stories are absolutely rampant; this is not a one-off. Honest businesses do not do anything even close to this.
Overall not a business you want to let hold nearly $1000 hostage.
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First batch new Jolla phone coming in the summer. I have high hopes.
I ordered a Jolla phone, should come in September, will do a review then!
Sailfish OS works well on Sony Xperia 10 III too
I am planning to get the Jolla phone this summer, Google de facto banning F-Droid is a deal breaker. Just need to save up the €800 needed for the 12GB RAM / 256 GB storage variant in September.
I have Jolla C and older rooted Xperia X with sailfish. I was looking for old pictures a few months ago and desided to see if those still work. They had been laying in the carage. Both are up and running (my sons play games on them now). Jolla C was released 2016.
I have not been following them lately but I think I would consider buying one if I did not have a phone provided by employer...
Not sure this honors the spirit of the question, but I think GrapheneOS may be something you're looking for.
Motorola will launch a GrapheneOS phone soon.
I just want my headphone jack back
And I want a freaking small notification LED back that tells me what’s going on without any annoying sounds or having to turn on the display and wasting battery charge every few minutes.
Best we can do is flashing your camera led blinding everyone in the room
Some Motorola phones still have that.
and a MicroSD slot
Yes but it's not affordable enough.
Nor global
I was considering a fair phone, but that announcement has me waiting.
I wish fairphone would do the hardware and graphene the software but they do not seem to get along. That would be the ideal duo.
I use GrapheneOS and I believe in their goals, but honestly, the people behind the OS doesn't seem to get along with anyone else in the whole world.
It’s just blind perfectionism. Don’t put security features as the first priority above all else? Hunting season is open.
It’s difficult to argue against their basic policy, especially these days, seeing what AI pentesting can do.
But at the end of the day, mom and dad are gonna have to use their phones and they do not care about or understand security in the slightest, so how are they supposed to make use of those devices?
I think a little more positive marketing wouldn’t hurt, but the Graphene people love to call out what everybody else is doing wrong.
They got along with Motorola somehow ???
It's ironic that arguably the best way to de-Google a phone is to get a Pixel and use GrapheneOS.
My buddy did that. Didn't read the fine print. So he either pays off the $700 phone cash or let's Google invade his life long enough for it to be paid off by monthly credits, and he can unlock the bootloader.
You're still using a platform upon which Google has an enormous influence, including making life much more difficult for projects like GrapheneOS. And I think it's only a matter of timer before they'll take more aggressive measures.
Btw, I am not saying one should or shouldn't use a Pixel with GrapheneOS.
Until the Motorola deal sees fruition, Pixels are the only way to use GrapheneOS. I don't think that using GrapheneOS makes the project more difficult.
There seems to be a trend for larger phones that I’m just not on board with. It’s one of the reasons I’ve stuck with apple - the iPhone 13 mini is really as big as I’d ever want a phone. If I could find something private, and not requiring me learning a whole new set of skills to use, then I’d jump ship in a heartbeat, but there really doesn’t seem to be that much on offer
I’m willing to learn totally new things and let go of some niceties even if I’m ever again able to buy iPhone 13 mini sized phone for under 600 euros.
There seems to be a trend for larger phones that I’m just not on board with
I have a Moto Razr 50ultra flip phone. Excellent pocketability, a lot of tasks can be perormed on the small outside screen, flip open for content consumption etc To me its a geeat design
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Fun fact is that apple mocked Google (Android) for their phones being too big. Only later to go full on big phones.
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everyone mentioning Motorola here. something to keep in mind if you ~~love~~live in the US.
Motorola exports chip manufacturing to China. The FCC just blocked products that use technology that sourced from China.
you might be waiting to buy one domestically.
I still weep at the loss of HTC as a viable phone maker.
if you love in the US
We love many things 🏴☠️ 🍻
if you love in the US
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Curious how the Linux phone movement is going. Ubuntu touch seemed pretty cool
I daily drive Ubuntu touch on a Fairphone 5. It is totally doable, but there is some sacrifice compared to the experience on a commercial OS. I think you will also get the best experience on UT if you lurk around in the community, as there are some good tips there on how to get the most out of it. (Like which smart watches are compatible, which browser is the least buggy, how to customize stuff)
As a non-IT Person: for me 2 months ago it was not really ready for dailyusage on fairphone 3. I installed it as a test to see if i can use it as a second phone.
Most things generally work. I had problems with websites not being loaded properly. The problem might be me or the FP3.
However i am looking forward to jolla (using sailfishOS right?)
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