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Copy pasting a comment I made on a similar meme
Not to give excuses for people but it's also perfectly reasonable to express concern for something that directly affects one's daily life, before an abstract system of domination.
Moral evaluation is overridden when one's purchasing power and thus livelihood is threatened. The Yellow Vests in France started because of a gas price hike, and then transformed into a political movement. The Boston Tea Party into the American Revolution. Police Corruption in Tunisia into the Arab Spring... It always starts with concrete issues and then expands in critic of the system.
I believe I read the fallout of this kind of thinking, precisely because France, American Slavers, and Hamas didn't end in good solidifying endings for every one of these overridden purchasing powers and livelihood [finally] threatened.
France has Nazis, in a very far right government.
American never ceased its slave trade if the Epstein files were read correctly.
And Hamas doesn't condemned slavery. It actively supports it.
I am not so sure anarchists should solidify with slavers, while 🇺🇲 promises to eradicate Iran from the maps.
I feel like some points you make are a bit unrelated?
I'm not sure I understand your point but explaining how movements start with material triggers doesn't mean we have to align with governments
The 🧵 where you said your own paste, within context?
So you're saying French people are more selfless after yellow vest and the state moving further Nazi?
The effects of the Arab Spring?
And I am pointing out where the have ended: slavery. All these triggers lead to slavery. I am praying there are other tactics not to reend there.
Yeah I mean what about that other thread? I didn't feel like there was that big of a fallout in the comments, it sounds a bit overdramatic, unless you meant something else.
About the yellow vests, no that is not what I'm saying, I'm not sure how or why you could reach to that conclusion. I'm giving an example of how a political movement started from concrete material issues that the working class experienced. In fact, the yellow vests managed to get slight concessions. There is no connection that would suggest that movement led to the authoritarian drift in France (those were already experimented in french suburbs, and extensively used to kill any protests moving forward, very good analysis of police brutality in France here https://shs.cairn.info/revue-mouvements-2017-4-page-38).
Are we sure we're both talking about the 2010s Tunisia protests? I don't see how this is linked in any way with Hamas. It started from the immolation of Mohamed Bouazizi in protest to police corruption and the job crisis (among other things), experienced at that time. Those again started from concrete issues, and then evolved in criticism of the systems and powers in place. I'm hoping you're not making a link between the Arab Spring and Hamas out of ignorance and essentialization, the former started in Maghreb, the latter in the Middle East.
I feel like you're jumping to conclusions a bit too quickly, linking end-states of governmental action to the premises of various protests. I don't know, there's so many examples in history that contradict your premise:
So yeah we might have a misunderstanding because I don't understand why you would want to argue that protests starting from concrete material conditions automatically leads to slavery. All the progress we made for workers rights, and human rights, were taken from the powers in place thanks to people organizing, very often thanks to anarchist organizations. My point is just that it all started from concrete issues, that the working class was able to transform into something bigger politically, which explains why some (let's say, less politically educated-) U.S. citizen are starting to protest only once material issues (gas price hikes) are hitting them, rather than the abstract (to them) wars waged by their government in foreign countries.
It's our job to turn this reaction into organized political action against their government, and no, it does not end automatically in slavery.
I am asking how, when I’ve been telling them to demolish deathcamps for more than 22 years.
I’ve reminded to destroy their panoptics.
How do you organize reactionaries into direct acts against their oppressors, when they let a generation pass them by?
Well I don't know specifically what methods you've used so far, but in my circles, it would be something like this:
First we stop preaching to "them" as if they were a singular organised group, and instead talk to the individuals. We tie their concrete issues to direct political thought and action, and later we start widening their perspective on a criticism of the system to help them understand the powers at play. Also we drop the tribalist "reactionary" label and look at it from a class warfare perspective BUT we make the effort to deconstruct any misaligned/ignorant/bigoted/you-name-it views.
Organise, unionise!
🤝 sure, let's try this approach.