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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] rook@awful.systems 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Here’s a fun one… Microsoft added copilot features to sharepoint. The copilot system has its own set of access controls. The access controls let it see things that normal users might not be able to see. Normal users can then just ask copilot to tell them the contents of the files and pages that they can’t see themselves. Luckily, no business would ever put sensitive information in their sharepoint system, so this isn’t a realistic threat, haha.

Obviously Microsoft have significant resources to research and fix the security problems that LLM integration will bring with it. So much money. So many experts. Plenty of time to think about the issues since the first recall debacle.

And this is what they’ve accomplished.

https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/exploiting-copilot-ai-for-sharepoint/

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

https://xcancel.com/GuiveAssadi/status/1920232405324955825

Steven Pinker: I've been part of some not so successful attempts to come up with secular humanist substitutes for religion.

Interviewer: What is the worst one you've been involved in?

Steven Pinker: Probably the rationalist solstice in Berkeley, which included hymns to the benefits of global supply chains. I mean, I actually completely endorse the lyrics of the song, but there's something a bit cringe about the performance.

from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTVJjmabaas which nobody should watch, obviously

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 13 points 1 year ago

hymns to the benefits of global supply chains

We did it, we discovered awful's equivalent to Nostalgia Critic's The Wall

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 9 points 1 year ago

I want to make a CoE joke or something but jesus christ you really can’t improve on this.

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What if we throw the CEO into a peat bog when the company underperforms?

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 8 points 1 year ago

finger guns activated 🟩 👉👉

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

some thiel news, in which the tiny little man keeps trailblazing being the absolute weirdest motherfucker:

He has found religion recently. I don’t know if you’ve been following this, but Peter Thiel is now running Bible study groups in Silicon Valley.

now you may read this and already start straining your eyes, so I strongly suggest you warm up before you read with the rest of the paragraph, which continues:

He said in a few interviews recently that he believes that the Antichrist is Greta Thunberg. It’s extraordinary. He said that it’s foretold that the Antichrist will be seeming to spread peace. But here’s his thinking. He says Greta wants everyone to ride a bicycle. (Now, that’s a gross caricature of what she’s said.) But he’s said Greta wants everyone to ride a bicycle. That may seem good, but the only way that could happen is if there was a world government that was regulating it. And that is more evil than the effects of climate change.

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hm, I don't believe in biblical apocalypse stuff, but if I did I wouldn't think that the climate activist gambling her life to get supplies to the starving population in Gaza is the anti-christ.

I think a power hungry, wannabe vampire, billionaire with companies named after corrupting artifacts, more fits the bill.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The anti-christ also needs to be universally liked iirc. And the Catholic church explicitly bans calling out a time (and thus a person) as the anti-christ. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Council_of_the_Lateran if by a miracle I'm declared Pope (which is technically possible (yes, im unironically linking to r/neoliberal, it was one of the first hits on google, but I'm never beating the accusations)) I will excom all these people, Oprah giving out cars style. (vote for me you cowards).

Re: the white smoke, anyway, still available to become an antipope at reasonable rates.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that handy old adage: every accusation a projection!

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 11 points 1 year ago

I’m gonna be real disappointed if thiel is the anti-christ. Like disappointed in the writing and narrative of the universe

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As a Dutch person, why can't yall be normal about bikes? Just invest in separate bike lanes and protect people on bicycles from drivers (I really need to write out my ~~manifesto~~ blog post on how I think car ownership turns you into a psychopath one day). It isn't that hard. (Shoutout to the couple who was crossing the Houtribdijk (actually a dam, not a dike) on bikes last week)

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I remember seeing a particularly stupid libertarian guy argue against public transport by saying that car owners would lose out because the value of having a car would decrease. I think it’s a crab in a bucket type mentality. Everyone should suffer from cars. I blame Big Car for this.

[–] FredFig@awful.systems 10 points 1 year ago

Hey that's unfair, us North Americans are as normal about bikes as we're normal about cars.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 10 points 1 year ago

It is very important to notice and continually point out that these people appear to believe more fervently in their chosen demons than they do in their proclaimed god

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[–] rook@awful.systems 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

They’re already doing phrenology and transphobia on the pope.

(screenshot of a Twitter post with dubious coloured lines overlaid on some photos of the pope’s head, claiming a better match for a “female” skull shape)

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 1 year ago

Painting a cross on the skull of the pope and then claiming this is wrong is a whole new kind of heresy.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 7 points 1 year ago

.....I was unprepared for reading this post

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I know the Rationalists tend to like (or used to) Freakonomics (contrarians recognize contrarians), and the Freakonomics podcast (there always is a podcast isn't there), so I was amused to see the YT channel 'Unlearning Economics', do a 'The Death of Freakonomics' episode.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 12 points 1 year ago

Obligatory: If books could kill was started because they wanted to do a freakonomics takedown, lol. It’s their first ep.

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Artist notices that his horror creations get listed by AI bots as real. Decides to troll. It works. 2 hours, 1 source. We are so cooked.

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The self-fulfilling prophecy machine will ensure that engorgement will become a household term

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

New eugenics conference just dropped

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/8ZExgaGnvLevkZxR5/attend-the-2025-reproductive-frontiers-summit-june-10-12

"Chatham House rules" so they can happily be racist without anyone pointing fingers at them.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 11 points 1 year ago

the genomic emancipation of humanity

ffs, the euphemisms keep piling on today.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Science writer Philip Ball observes,

Just watched Eric Schmidt (former Google CEO) say "We believe as an industry... that within 3-5 years we'll have AGI, which can be defined as a system that is as smart as [big deal voice] the smartest mathematician, physicist, [lesser deal voice] artist, writer, thinker, politician ... I call this the San Francisco consensus, because everyone who believes this is in San Francisco... Within the next year or two, this foundation gets locked in, and we're not going to stop it. It gets much more interesting after that...There will be computers that are smarter than the sum of humans"

"Everyone who believes this is in San Francisco" approaches "the female orgasm is a myth" levels of self-own.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 11 points 1 year ago

In other news, SoundCloud's become the latest victim of the AI scourge - artists have recently discovered the TOS allows their work to be stolen for AI training since early 2024.

SoundCloud's already tried to quell the backlash, but they're getting accused of lying in the replies and the QRTs, so its safe to say its not working.

[–] mii@awful.systems 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Road rage victim 'speaks' via AI at his killer's sentencing [Archive]

I fucking can't right now.

[Judge] Lang allowed Pelkey's loved ones to play an AI-generated version of the victim — his face and body and a lifelike voice that appeared to ask the judge for leniency.

“To Gabriel Horcasitas, the man who shot me: It is a shame we encountered each other that day in those circumstances," the artificial version of Pelkey said. "In another life, we probably could have been friends. I believe in forgiveness."

Edit: 404Media article on the story that's much better

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is beyond horrifying:

I don't know to decide wether I should be glad this wasn't show to a jury, or sad we don't get an obvious mistrial setting some kind of precedent against this kind of demented ventriquolism act, indirectly asking for maximum sentencing through what should be completely inadmissible character testimony.

Does anyone here know how 'appeals on sentencing' vs 'appeals on verdicts', obviously judges should have some leeway, but do they have enough leeway to say (In court) that they were moved for example by what a spirit medium said or whatnot, is there some jurisprudence there?

I can only hope that the video played an insignificant role in the judges decision, and it was some deranged—post hoc—emotional—waxing 'poetic' moment for the judge.

Yuck.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 1 year ago

Story goes he got an extra year of prison and the judge mentioned the ai testimony.

If I ever get murdered in the USA and my ai fake is not shouting about jury nullification you know it isnt the real me.

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Polymarket on the new pope skeet

Also there already is a bsky user with the username leoxiv, who makes from what I can tell final fantasy poses, some nsfw. Lol.

Skeet descriptionG Elliott Morris ‪@gelliottmorris.com‬ :"A mere 2 hours ago, betting markets were giving the now Pope a 0% chance of becoming Pope. Lmfao"

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 1 year ago

Also there already is a bsky user with the username leoxiv, who makes from what I can tell final fantasy poses, some nsfw. Lol.

Being a bit more specific, its Final Fantasy XIV, which you've probably heard about from people using its free trial as meme material. Its also a better example of the metaverse than any actual metaverse out there, but that's a given for literally any MMO that has popped up for the last twenty fucking years.

Also:

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 1 year ago

Found a sneer in the wild, made in response to another piece of Deportee Slop™:

Searching through the quotes, I also found someone openly accusing AI of contributing to fascism:

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OT: Estonia (and Helsinki) were very nice, but I did not see a single delivery robot running around. Stayed across from the MalwareBytes HQ tho, I thought that was cool.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Ran across a Bluesky thread which caught my attention - its nothing major, its just about how gen-AI painted one rando's views of the droids of Star Wars:

Generative AI has helped me to understand why, in Star Wars, the droids seem to have personalities but are generally bad at whatever they're supposed to be programmed to do, and everyone is tired of their shit and constantly tells them to shut up

Threepio: Sir, the odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field are 3720 to one!

Han Solo (knowing that Threepio just pulls these numbers out of Reddit memes about Emperor Palpatine's odds of getting laid): SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!

"Why do the heroes of Star Wars never do anything to help the droids? They're clearly sentient, living things, yet they're treated as slaves!" Thanks for doing propaganda for Big Droid, you credulous ass!

With that out the way, here's my personal sidenote:

There's already been plenty of ink spilled on the myriad effects AI will have on society, but it seems one of the more subtle effects will be on the fiction we write and consume.

Right off the bat, one thing I'm anticipating (which I've already talked about before) is that AI will see a sharp decline in usage as a plot device - whatever sci-fi pizzazz AI had as a concept is thoroughly gone at this point, replaced with the same all-consuming cringe that surrounds NFTs and the metaverse, two other failed technologies turned pop-cultural punchlines.

If there are any attempts at using "superintelligent AI" as a plot point, I expect they'll be lambasted for shattering willing suspension of disbelief, at least for a while. If AI appears at all, my money's on it being presented as an annoyance/inconvenience (as someone else has predicted).

Another thing I expect is audiences becoming a lot less receptive towards AI in general - any notion that AI behaves like a human, let alone thinks like one, has been thoroughly undermined by the hallucination-ridden LLMs powering this bubble, and thanks to said bubble's wide-spread harms (environmental damage, widespread theft, AI slop, misinformation, etcetera) any notion of AI being value-neutral as a tech/concept has been equally undermined.

With both of those in mind, I expect any positive depiction of AI is gonna face some backlash, at least for a good while.

(As a semi-related aside, I found a couple of people openly siding with the Mos Eisley Cantina owner who refused to serve R2 and 3PO [Exhibit A, Exhibit B])

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 11 points 1 year ago

I've noticed the occasional joke about how new computer technology, or LLMs specifically, have changed the speaker's perspective about older science fiction. E.g., there was one that went something like, "I was always confused about how Picard ordered his tea with the weird word order and exactly the same inflection every time, but now I recognize that's the tea order of a man who has learned precisely what is necessary to avoid the replicator delivering you an ocelot instead."

Notice how in TNG, everyone treats a PADD as a device that holds exactly one document and has to be physically handed to a person? The Doylist explanation is that it's a show from 1987 and everyone involved thought of them as notebooks. But the Watsonian explanation is that a device that holds exactly one document and zero distractions is the product of a society more psychologically healthy than ours....

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the kind of quality journalism that I need more of in my life. Also I learned a surprising amount about olive oil, which means it's more useful than anything else Sam Altman has been involved in as far as I can tell.

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[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Derek Lowe comes in with another sneer at techbro-optimism of collection of AI startup talking points wearing skins of people saying that definitely all medicine is solved, just throw more compute at it https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/end-disease (it's two weeks old, but it's not like any of you read him regularly). more relevantly he also links all his previous writing on this topic, starting with 2007 piece about techbros wondering why didn't anyone brought SV Disruption™ to pharma: https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/andy-grove-rich-famous-smart-and-wrong

interesting to see that he reaches some of pretty much compsci-flavoured conclusions despite not having compsci background. still not exactly there yet as he leaves some possibility of AGI

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 8 points 1 year ago

Quick update from Brian Merchant: he's looking for stories about AI screwing people over.

If you've got any, send them to AIKilledMyJob@pm.me

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 8 points 1 year ago

Got a nice and lengthy sneer from film blog That Final Scene: the uncanny valet is not your friend (and other AI stories)

Beyond being an utter castigation of AI bros' "attempts" at aping art, its also wonderfully written from start to finish. Go check it out.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unrelated to my recent posts on sciencefiction, and not sure if this is something I should ask here publically but it is the easiest place I could think off. But @dgerard@awful.systems is Rationalwiki dead or not?

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's very tired and shagged out after a long squawk. Just today I did [REDACTED] to alleviate the DDOS scraper bots and it's ticking along nicely right now. Keeping an eye on things.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 1 year ago

Ah so that is good news, worried it might be offline due to legal troubles, but it is technical troubles. Thanks for all your (and everybody else involved) service an all that.

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