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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I call bullshit on the latter part of that statement. If it's wrong it's wrong no matter who does it.

[–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

lol no you don't get it! You're just trying to distract from the atrocities of your country that I consider you to be complicit in! I'm not complicit in the atrocities of MY chosen state! lmfao

Edit: death to the IDF, death to nazis. I wasn't referencing Hamas, they didn't even cross my mind in this context.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's totally in good faith when Israelis talk about how awful Hamas is on LGBT+ rights or when Americans do the same shit over Iran. You're definitely not just carrying water for imperialism.

I'm sure the people whose struggle you're so concerned about will thank you as they can't afford bread due to sanctions and their family is eviscerated by bombs.

[–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

It's funny how I'm not even talking about Hamas, which I don't view as much of a state, and more of a militia operation? Ik they're technically the elected government but?

I'm talking about large scale world governments specifically. I'm not condemning mostly powerless people struggling for their lives.

Edit: Hamas isn't even on my mind because how much of a "power structure" are they? Not to sound insensitive but I assume their capabilities are extremely limited. Death to the IDF, death to nazis. :)

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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's totally in good faith when Israelis talk about how awful Hamas is on LGBT+ rights or when Americans do the same shit over Iran. You're definitely not just carrying water for imperialism.

Just like it's totally okay to be a raging alcoholic who attacks random people on the Internet for opinions they do not hold.

[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Thats not at all how I interpret the message. I interpreted as "when the US is invading somewhere under the guise of bringing freedom and peace," rather than, someone saying something bad about russia and it being refuted by the US being worse. In the first case the post can be true and still condemn multiple parties, because the US does infact try to excuse itself that way.

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[–] Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago (8 children)

You can hate both sides. The Iranian regime has killed substantially more Iranians (this year) than the USA has. Doesn't make the USA a good country, both countries are shit. The main difference is that the USA is a developing theocracy whereas Iran is an established one.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The main difference is that the USA is a developing theocracy whereas Iran is an established one.

I'd say the main difference is thay the USA has nuclear weapons and has killed dozens of millions of innocents, while Iran has only tried both and so far failed.

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Power is murderous, the greater the power the more murderous.

As the US declines other already-murderous powers will prove themselves every bit as vile as western hegemony.

The problem is in the nature of power structures, not who has fought their way to the top at the moment.

[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Power structures and, well... people.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What does "and allies" encompass?

What does "murderous power structure" even mean?

Sources?

Yes the US is doing bad things. Human history is pretty much different groups taking turns doing the most murdering.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, but can you show me a realistic path to stop it? Every time a power has fades in history, another one steps up to take its place.

Can you prove to me that the next one will be better than the one we have now?

[–] Ougie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Agreed, but are you suggesting we sit back and enjoy? The only way to get over this stage is to call it out. Understand what is happening, create mechanisms that dissuade murderous psychopaths from positions of power.

For example, take money out of politics. As a politician you are not entitled to personal wealth. You have to give everything you have away and you live on minimum wage. End political donations etc etc.

[–] Stitch0815@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah basically came to say this

I don't believe for a second anyone else would be better. They are currently just smaller.

[–] adminofoz@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If I had to guess on allies I would point to the coalition of Western European countries who routinely join US imperialist wars like the "war on terror" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Id say the military industrial complex is a murderous power structure. If you want specifics look at the Pentagon, CIA, and various "defense" contractors such as Raytheon, Palantir, and so on.

IMO the path to stop it is something like anarcho- communism which you can start doing in your own neighborhood by forming collectives.

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Russia has killed more than the US in the last several years. Iran has also killed tens of thousands of its own citizens.

I don’t support the war in Iran, but come on. This comment is just ridiculous.

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[–] Jack@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Does anyone have sources for this?

I'm not an expert, and a quick look on Wikipedia shows that comparing just 2 recent big wars, the USA coalition's invasion of Iraq (2003-2011) killed approximately 151k to 655k[i] Iraqis, while the major Russian invasion or Ukraine (2022-ongoing) killed about 200k[u] Ukrainians.

Anyone have better numbers, and other non-defensive invasions?

[i] 151000 (2003-03/2006-06) New England Journal of Medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Family_Health_Survey

460000 (2003-03/2011-06) PLOS Medicine Survey https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3797136/

654965 excess (2003-03/2006-07) Lancet survey, 186318 by coalition, 144246 by others, and 276472 by unknown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties

[u] BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8n4l8elpgo This is just Ukrainians - if you include the Russian casualties then it may be more than 3 times that, and since some Russian soldiers may have been forced into the war (unlike in the Iraq war on the Western side), Russia should be held responsible for them getting killed also.

[–] leriotdelac@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This.

However, it doesn't excuse the US from their military crimes.

In Russia, we also gladly use "what about": yeah, we might not be perfect, but just look at the USA... Bad rhetoric. (RU might take the cake for being the largest evil on earth, but even so it doesn't excuse others' crimes).

[–] Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Those are active murders, and are ignoring passive ones. Every death due to sanctions, every starvation in the US itself, every preventable death due to being blocked by the healthcare system. Add every death in Palestine, the Vietnam war, the internal struggles of China before the nationalists were defeated, every time they sold weapons to any group...

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[–] sangeteria@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not doubting your comparative analysis of these wars, but instead I would like to place another claim on the table: wars are no longer the primary vehicle of violence in our global society, just the most naked and public-facing violence.

Some examples of these other acts (and these are indeed heavily interrelated):

  • IMF loans and enforced austerity/liberalization
  • NED-related influence operations
  • coups
  • sanctions
  • embargoes
  • military presence itself (via bases)
  • funding of militant proxy groups

(Note that the primary vehicle of harm here is slowly economically depriving and strangling average people up to the last dollar, worldwide). Then you add this suffering to when the violence becomes protracted and sharpened via war.

Russia simply can't do this. Idk if it wants to; it probably does considering Ukraine (also Russia isn't like a person lol and I don't think it's all just Putin bc putting shit on one guy is naive imo; you can always replace the one guy). But Russia does not have the military and economic influence the US does.

This is just my understanding of the world like philosophically as I've spent 20-something beautiful years on this blue-green marble and another 375 on the red one (and also I'm like... incredibly lazy as a person!) so no sources 😔 but I am amenable to receiving new evidence!

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

The allies of the US are largely saying fuck everything about this and not joining. Don't include us in their bullshit.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The Republicans are way more murderous than the Democrats so I guess criticising the Democrats is a distraction and helps the fascists according to OP's logic.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

There is no material difference between when a democrat votes to bomb Iran to liberate them vs when a republican votes to bomb ~~Libya~~-Ira~~q~~n because they want to murder more Muslims.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

Surely you're capable of admitting that the Republicans are putting far more immigrants in concentration camps than the Democrats, and therefore they're more murderous.

If you can't admit who's causing more harm, then I don't see the point of having any kind of discussion with you.

[–] Ougie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

The old good cop bad cop routine really works on you eh. Can't see past it and you're incapable of having a proper conversation about the issue. You get offended, you think it's so obvious... I would kindly suggest that you look at the USA's & allies' foreign policy trajectory historically over the years. If you manage to look at the facts you will see that no matter which party is in power, the goals remain the same.

Watch how AOC and the like will not get elected and instead you will get a Newsom character running instead. Happened with Bernie and Hillary before and it will happen again.

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[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

Democrats voted to fund Trump's ICE. There is no material difference.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The greater harm is those posing as allies to the marginalized, those that built those camps, those that lay the foundations for Republican crimes against the working class.

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[–] TheKingBombOmbKiller@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Which Democratic candidate has run on a platform of bombing Iran to liberate them?

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you not see how the way the democrats who voted against the War Powers Resolution justified their votes? There is bipartisan consensus on imperialism abroad and concentration camps at home.

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[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

None of them ever campaign on these issues, they just do it. There's never been a war that Democrats weren't foaming at the mouth to get into

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